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"There's probably no God. Now stop worrying and enjoy your life." It's a refreshing, if unusual, statement for the side of a London bus and if the organisers of the Atheist Bus Campaign raise enough money (you can donate here), they hope to run their message on 30 buses in the capital for four weeks early next year. Launching today, the campaign (which has, unsurprisingly, received support from professor Richard Dawkins and The British Humanist Association) aims to "counter the religious adverts which are currently running on London buses and help people think for themselves". Fair enough. But as to how enjoying life bears any relation to a bendy bus is a question that might even stump prof. Dawkins.
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My faith in graphic design is almost restored. Praise the Lord.
2008-10-21 13:40:00
But they only say 'PROBABLY', seems they're quite convinced themselves?
2008-10-21 13:58:29
Derek:
http://www.amazon.com/God-Delusion-Richard-Dawkins/dp/0618680004
http://www.amazon.com/Breaking-Spell-Religion-Natural-Phenomenon/dp/0143038338/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1224595206&sr=1-1
http://www.amazon.com/God-Not-Great-Religion-Everything/dp/0446579807/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1224595240&sr=1-1
http://www.amazon.com/End-Faith-Religion-Terror-Future/dp/0393327655/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1224595291&sr=1-1
AKA The Four Horseman
Saying 'definitely' would smack in the face of exactly the kind of evidence and reason based reflection that free-thinking atheists support. There is no ultimate truth on the existence or lack thereof of a 'god figure' , but there is a mountain of evidence for the improbability. That does not incidentally make one an agnostic.
2008-10-21 14:31:34
nice.
2008-10-21 14:36:21
Honest,
An intriguing bookshelf you have there, you're very kind, but no thanks.
May your God be with you.
2008-10-21 15:20:31
Asks a question; gets an answer; doesn't like answer; retreats to sanctuary.
2008-10-21 17:26:21
Nice one joe!XD
2008-10-21 18:36:19
"But as to how enjoying life bears any relation to a bendy bus is a question that might even stump prof. Dawkins."
That's a bit of a strange comment. Since when do ad placements have anything to do with the content of the ad? The ad pictured here, for example, cannot even be viewed from inside the bus, so the two don't need to have any relationship.
2008-10-21 18:48:16
Let's hope two of these don't crash into each other and the occupants find themselves to be oh so wrong!
2008-10-21 22:33:29
Wow this ad really makes me "think for myself' it's a contradiction in itself and it's absolute poppycock!
And just in case anyone is unaware of what this means...
Anglicized form of the Dutch pappekak, which literally means soft dung or diarrhea (from Dutch pap pap + kak dung) - is an interjection meaning "nonsense" or "balderdash"
I don't need a bendy bus to dictate to me what to believe or not to believe.
God is love!
2008-10-22 11:48:08
allanah:
Thankyou for the etymology lesson, in spite of which I'm sure everyone already understood. It did serve the purpose of padding out an unsubstantiated comment.
The adverb probably suggests the programmed, the weak, the meek sheep might be better served by asking themselves a question. That they might be better served in understanding all sides of an argument. Not that I personally can admit it an argument as you need to agree what constitutes reason before entering into one. Example of its lack; 'blind faith'. It's often impossible to do so especially if one totters away smugly like Derek above.
As for the "now stop worrying and enjoy your life" line underneath. What's to complain about unless you're one of the crazies more concerned with the afterlife than this, the only one.
Question: what do you need in order to believe?
2008-10-22 13:23:14
The Advert seems to be a witty retort to an ad campaign at the moment.
Its humour and punch are however based on certain assumptions.
1) People who believe in God don't enjoy life.
2) Your definition of an enjoyable life.
3) People that believe in God are worrying about something.
4) People who believe in God have done no research.
I would argue the aim of the advert is to provoke a counter thought not to base a theological debate on.
I would suggest the advert speaks more of hedonist mindset than a 'God believer' or an atheist.
My opinion is that it takes a slightly aggressive tone because of the assumptions made and therefore is cheapened because of it.
If the intent is to encourage free thinking then it has in my opinion fallen short. The one truth that should unite all theorists is choice.
In defense of the Alpha campaign, it doesn't target Atheists, it questions thinking.
Feel free to email at dane@netcomuk.co.uk
d
2008-10-22 16:24:04
Joe:
You are welcome. And I'll give you the padding out comment, it was merely to make light out of all above comments and oodles of tedious links you posted on Dawkins. Snore.
You may find it is in the interest of everyone to indeed enjoy life (even, dare I say it... believers!) and they have far more complex concerns that of this, and the afterlife.
CR encourages comments to be short and to the point.
Why so serious?
2008-10-22 16:30:45
Dane:
The Alpha Course, certainly does not encourage free thinking. If the Alpha campaign does prima facie appear open and to question thinking it is because whoever does their ads is intelligent -- or rather devious -- enough to know that you can't convert with a bus ad alone. It's when you get inside that the business of dogmatic doctrinisation begins. As someone who has 'embraced the bible' in order to understand and challenge my anti-theist beliefs, I know this first hand and through many friends who have also attended the course. Suffice to say the argument (or lack thereof) of a God figure left me a more resolute atheist and more educated in the absurdity of such a belief system, least of all it's methods of recruitment.
The one truth that should unite all theorists is choice. A theory needs an intelligible / coherent set of propositions, otherwise it's junk.
The point of the ad *IS* unequivocally to stir a theological question in individuals and it has clearly, as seen on other blogs, started debate. Why would you want to quell that?
If you are to make accusations of assumption, you should not make them yourself. Your use of the word hedonist has a disquieting quality of euphemism as if this campaign targets those who are without scruple. In all cases, it seems to be a case of pot, kettle, black. Theology bases its entire existence on assumption and draws conclusions from them as a petty word game. Just look at Aquinas' 'proofs' that are still trotted out today.
Allanah:
There were three other authors linked. Not as many who co-wrote the bible from existing mythologies, but you might still find them of interest. The afterlife and human nature's psychological struggle with mortality are at the apex of such 'complex struggles'. It's a nice get-out-of-jail card which is why it is so attractive.
The Alpha Course content as found on their website. Note the authoritative and assumptive tone. Does this encourage free thought?:
Week 1 Who is Jesus?
Week 2 Why did Jesus Die?
Week 3 How can we have Faith?
Week 4 Why and how do I Pray?
Week 5 Why and how should I read the Bible?
Week 6 How does God Guide us?
Week 7 How can I Resist Evil?
Week 8 Why and how should I tell Others?
Week 9 Does God Heal Today?
Week 10 What about the Church?
2008-10-23 13:53:15
I think honest joe has it covered. Just to respond to Dane's suggestion that the ad implies those who believe in God don't enjoy life, it is simply an attempt to redress a balance. Recent religious bus ads directed people to a website that suggested non-believers or 'sinners' may be doomed to an eternity of hell and damnation. Now that's not very nice. And it's poppycock.
2008-10-23 16:12:33
WOW, nothing like a good ol' bus advert to start a heated debate…
I would also suggest 'The Selfish Gene' for a possible cure to the 'why' of life.
2008-10-23 17:33:55
Does anyone else want to take Derek outside and shoot him?
2008-10-24 14:47:20
Have a nice weekend, Duncan.
2008-10-24 17:10:56
This gets people thinking about God! Great! Pun intended:
It's going to make some people think!
It's going to cause some people to think:
"Yes."
"No."
"Don't know."
"What if they are right?"
"What if they are wrong?"
And that is where we Christians come in because
we'll be able to tell them we know that:
God is!
Jesus lives!
We are His and therefore free in His liberty!
COME JOIN US - it's FREE!
Peace out.
2008-10-24 17:27:34
DaMumzy says check this out:
http://www.prayasyougoweb.com
This gets people thinking about God! Great! Pun intended:
It’s going to make some people think!
It’s going to cause some people to think:
“Yes.”
“No.”
“Don’t know.”
“What if they are right?”
“What if they are wrong?”
And that is where we Christians come in because
we’ll be able to tell them we know that:
God is!
Jesus lives!
We are His and therefore free in His liberty!
COME JOIN US - it’s FREE!
Peace in - Peace out.
2008-10-24 17:39:41
could i ask something? before this wholesale demolition of my book, could some of you... well you know... do that basic thing before you post about something ...actually look at it first? its atheist edition is not out in america yet, so i am pretty sure most of you havent seen it. that's not too much to ask i think.
and i will post a response to some of the 'interesting issues' which have been highlighted in the comments here in the next day or two
2008-10-24 18:27:38
@God
I think you have misunderstood. It's not you that anyone has a problem with, it's your ghost-writers. They're idiots. They've made you look like a completely fictional entity created to scare people for political gain. They've painted you to be thoroughly rotten in many respects, all full of hatred and anger and vengeance. Attracts all the wrong sorts.
For the next edition, you should consider writing it yourself. Wordprocessing software is dead easy to use these days, and will probably check for theological inconsistencies as well as typos.
2008-10-24 23:54:23
@DaMumzy
"COME JOIN US - it’s FREE!"
Hmmm... I'm afraid my 'ability to doubt' is too high a price to pay. It is, after all, the root of all human progress (ok, maybe not mine personally)
"Peace in - Peace out"
That's really nice, I'm going to say that to people.
Come to think of it, my French friend said it when I asked him what he thought of Australian wine.
2008-10-25 00:11:40
the use of the word worrying is perfect. i personally consider that people believe in god because they are worried at what will happen when they die. hence stop worrying and enjoy your life.
2008-10-25 11:54:31
Does prayer work? Does Advertising work? Both seem to me to be questions of faith rather certainty. And yet, there is scientific evidence to prove that both can work in certain circumstances.
For example, one day I was waiting for a bus for ages in the freezing cold. I prayed that a bus would come soon and within the next few minutes my bus came into view. In such circumstances, I say 'Thank you God'.
I don't say 'Thank you Richard' - even though I think Richard (Dawkins) is a very charismatic presenter.
2008-10-26 11:32:56
- Sorry just had a quick prayer for a minute there.
I was praying that someone like Richard Dawkins (who obviously has money to burn from all those books he's written, and the subsequent television spinoffs) - well I was praying that someone like that would give me a nice, juicy account to work on. Go on, be a devil! What? You've already given the account to Richard Dawkins? Well, I hope you carry on burning in hell!
2008-10-26 13:00:31
THERE'S PROBABLY NO BUS...AND IF THERE IS YOU'LL HAVE THE DEVIL'S OWN JOB TO GET ON IT.
2008-10-26 13:02:39
I've never been a great fan of advertising 'research' but this might make an interesting case study for someone, i.e. Do you believe that a)more atheists b) more 'believers' or c)more advertising agency people will be run over by the 'atheist bus'?
2008-10-26 13:07:29
Society is going through a mental and physical breakdown. True religion lays out a basis for one to live his life with morals and values, and to prepare for the after-life. You are sending more and more people down the wrong lane. They choose this because it may be easier to doubt rather than believe. You may argue that there are examples set by extremists, but do you then take from the surface and not choose to investigate further? But at the end of the day (literally) all truth shall be revealed and all disbelievers shall burn in hell. For many signs were given to us. If the advertisements are allowed to be placed on public buses in the UK, then i believe the government is setting a bad example and is opening the door for further facade. As for the individual. If he/she chooses to get on that bus regardless of personal opinion, he/she will be categorized as one who agrees fully with the statement. I think there's a clear which step should be taken, for the people who are against it.
2008-10-26 13:43:16
Well, as an Atheist I choose generally not to talk about religion. Obviously this is an exception to my general rule. As an Atheist, I'd rather this advert didn't exist. I have my own views, but I do not press them on others. If there is one topic that is likely to cause two individuals of different beliefs to fall out, it's religion. I prefer to simply try to get along with everybody, which is difficult when there is so much arrogance about in the UK these days, but that's another issue altogether.
The fact is, that the less is said on the matter the better. History is testament to this.
I really think this advert is totally off the mark by basically being there in the first place and the money would better spent on supporting science and cancer research.
Moronic total waste of money!! Tisk!
2008-10-26 16:01:47
DaMumsy:
Cults and religions all around the world believe they have the secret truth you claim to possess. Not only that but different schisms of the same scriptures come to their own interpretation of truth differently. Had you come to another faith system than christianity, you'd think otherwise. But you don't think and here is the problem; you deceive to believe; and you're shamelessly recruiting!
Su Moberly:
Much advertising does go through R+D in order that the chances of it not working are whittled down. It is a process of design, intelligent design by human beings, that being the only kind. Prayer might have a small psychosomatic placebo effect in achieving calm, lowering blood pressure etc, but it does not turn the laws of the universe upside down. Imagine the chaos if it did. There has never been evidence to suggest that prayer truly works and that has been endorsed by the scientific community at large. Interestingly, anything that has been accepted in the small minority has been accepted by religious scientists. Your bus prayer quote really does sound like a spoof. I pray that it might stop raining today, it does, and thanks be to god. What if I pray that the sun temporarily disappears for my own benefit? The jump in chance between each are like the grains of sand in a desert multiplied by themselves.
dani:
Not only do you appear to be offended by this ad (can atheists not take issue with yours?) but that you are condemning freedom of religious choice as well as that of speech. Possibly the two biggest things to be thankful of in our age. You have also personally decided (ahead of your all-powerful all-seeing lord) what the implications are to those who get on the bus. People have proven and continue to show that moral code does not come from scripture. Moral code existed before and will exist after. The greeks foretold many of the admittedly beautiful things that are said in the bible, and interestingly many scholars believe galilean peasants to have also spoken greek around CE 0. Jesus of Galilee anyone? How offensive to suggest that by living as a decent member of society that I am somehow doing so just as to prepare my entrance to the afterlife. How disingenuous! And how could an omniscient god not see that personal utility? It is easier to deceive yourself; it's an escapist's exit from our finite and often difficult lifespan. You recruit while we're weak. The Government certainly need shaking up. Quite why they're giving tax breaks to crackpot creationists is beyond belief. Should an atheist organisation have the same benefit? I think so.
AndyC:
The problem is that in the age of supposed enlightenment certain types of people are trying to throw us back into the dark; to educate (indoctrinate) our children as to not question rationally, to gain political control, to dictate moral choice (abortion, gay rights etc), and ultimately turn the world into one mass. The ginger whiskered vicar and the knitting loving neighbor are as ridiculous as it sounds, part of this. We can't just talk about extremists. It's a canker that eats from the inside. Fair play to the organisers of this project for not putting their head in the sand and doing something about the state of order. The money would not have been raised unless it was for this cause. Make a christmas donation if you so wish.
2008-10-27 16:12:33
Honest Joe:
'There has never been evidence to suggest that prayer truly works...'
http://www.ibethel.org/features/testimonies/index.php?f=testimonies.php&page=24
2008-10-28 11:50:40
Allanah:
They're lovely stories. I'm sure some people did recover and I'm happy for them.
However this is not scientific proof but of the same ilk as your scriptural evidence. "It is written down therefore it is true.". It is victorian evidence: "I present thee an image of a leviathan squid I etched while at sea with forked tenticles and one satanic eye..."
To prove prayer works (it doesn't any more than ghosts exist), the results would need to go under scrutinizing double blind tests. No study has concluded positively that has also been accepted by the scientific community at large. There are agendas at play with those who seek to prove 'it works', the most notorious of which are the templeton foundation: http://www.templeton.org/
2008-10-28 12:48:06
This comment is really for 'Mave' (21st October) -WHERE Ads are placed is quite important really. Otherwise why would advertisers choose to take space at big events like World Cup matches? Or even the side of a bus? To say that people inside the bus won't see the poster is not true: they will see it when they get on (and possibly when they get off) the bus. Some people might refuse to get on such a bus - which will be ok so long as they are not the bus driver. In which case, is Mave going to volunteer to drive the bus? Better still, what about Richard D? In any case, has he stumped up the money yet? Is this campaign actually going to run? We're giving him a fair amount of free publicity here.
2008-10-28 19:30:29
A comment for 'Honest Jo'in answer to his comment to me dated 27th October. My description of my personal experience of prayer was not a 'spoof'. I do have personal experience of prayer working. Unfortunately, I also have experience of prayer not working. Neither is proof one way or the other. In the same way, some advertising works and some does not. Surely it's a case of 'Rendering to Caesar etc.' rather than giving up either (or encouraging others to do the same). People who live by faith and belief are looking at different evidence to that which gives people like Richard D. their scientific 'certainty' or 'truth'.
I wonder if the proverbial 'man on the Clapham omnibus' would agree with me? (Actually, I'm getting a taxi next time. I'm fed up with waiting for this bus...)
2008-10-28 19:48:14
nothing like a religious argument to get the comments rolling in! ha.
I share some of Dane's sentiments. I find it falls short of its supposedly intended purpose of helping individuals 'think for themselves'. - aside from the irony that no advert really wants the viewer to think for themself, but to promote/have the viewer buy into a particular idea. anyways.
2008-10-29 14:34:27
moo soberly:
Your monocular mindset has completely missed the proverbial point. I'll try again:
Chance of bus turning up after I pray: statistically high.
Chance of recovering from crippling cancer after I pray: statistically low.
The former more likely to 'work', the latter less so. Why attribute mystical properties to something you damn well know is the outcome of tangible / empirical / scientific / whateveryouliketocallit, consequence. Why bother yielding to the laws of the universe at all if you're so sure they are of no matter? Why bother taking antibiotics? I'll answer for you: It's hypocritically convenient. As is the dog-eared different kind of evidence card so nauseatingly played. Forget feet, one must need a brain of clay to miss this dull point.
Surely it's a case of rendering unto caeser? Surely? An open mind doesn't need a caesarean section of the parts of the brain that think independently of scripture.
Finally, quite how you can equate cosmological issues with that of advertising is beyond belief. Surely... you're spoofing us again?
2008-10-29 15:56:27
'Jonest Hoe' 29th October. Did someone say that 'spoofing' was not allowed on this website?
2008-10-29 18:48:11
DaMumzy says check this out:
http://www.prayasyougoweb.com
To A different Joe: Despite your attempt to cause offence, I have taken none. You know why? Exactly because for me when peace in, has resulted in peace out! Hostility in, hostility out! Why your hostility? You say your ability to doubt is too high a price to pay: Well God gave you that free choice!
I say thank God for Jesus who did not deem a price to high to pay: With His life He paid a debt He did not owe,i.e. for the world's and my sin, with His blood: My debt is paid so I am free. Further, when one surrenders their life to Him, He gives it back: I am free in-Christ.
You have read this: You cannot say that you were never told.You cannot plead ignorance, but that you chose not to believe: Why not seek more of the truth. Try http://prayasyougoweb.com - I dare you. After all I see you have nothing to lose and everything to gain.
Peace in, Peace out.
2008-10-29 19:17:55
To Honest Joe: Yes, prayer does work. God always answers prayers: It may be Yes, or No, or Wait! Prayer changes things by moving the hand of God. You say prayer does not work - may be not for you - because you do not believe: What do you pray to? What do you ask? For what you want or what you NEED? Do you pray selfishly - just for you. You are not praying to God, because you do not believe in Him so how can you expect a result.
My personal experience is that God answers prayers. It's not always the answer I want, but it is always the answer I need! He knows best. So I continue to pray in faith and with trust.
How can you know I do not think: When you make assumptions it makes an ass out of you and me! Of course I think and when I read God's Book of Instructions Before Leaving Earth - a.k.a. the Bible, I do not depend entirely on interpretation. Why, because the deeper one goes in faith, the more God reveals Himself to me through His words: It becomes more than the actual words, through personal relationship with Jesus Christ and His Helper the Holy Spirit, I am guided through the pathways of TRUTH, God's Truth, sometimes beyond which words can explain.
Secret! What Secret: IT IS NO SECRET WHAT GOD CAN DO and I have just spent this time trying to share this with you.
And yes, I am shamelessly recruiting: I am proud of Jesus: He laid down His life for me AND FOR YOU, yet does not beat us into submission to accept, love and worship Him. You have free choice given to everyone by God. I have chosen to follow Jesus: You have not note. I wonder why? What do you fear? Not being able to just do your own thing? Not wanting to stop doing what you know to be wrong?
Well I throw down the gauntlet to you: Try http://prayasyougoweb.com and the Bible, if only as a book; I suggest the book of John. Then maybe we will be able to relaly communicate.
Peace in, Peace out!
PS: Will you be buying Christmas Cards & Presents which makes money for the commercial boys? If so why? What will you be celebrating? I am intrigued! DaMumzy
2008-10-29 19:43:41
I celebrate Yuletide, as it is pagan festival which makes up some of the history of this island and because it is fun and allows me to relax for a few days with my family and eat good food.
The fact that it was renamed as christmas by conquerers who wished to subjugate the pagan population has no real bearing on me as I do not believe in any deities, christian or otherwise.
I don't need god to enjoy life. There is so much in everyday a priori existence to marvel at without having to worry about deities which don't actually have any kind of observable presence in my life.
2008-10-30 18:54:43
Stop arguing everyone. Or you'll miss the bus! Ding Ding!
2008-10-30 19:44:58
DaMumzy
I'm intrigued as to why you think I intended to cause offence. Was it the light-hearted quip about the wine?
It seems people everywhere with an 'unshakeable' faith are very, very easily upset.
By the way - I celebrate 'Christmas', as it is the commonly used name for a midwinter festival that existed many thousand years before Christianity. I agree, we should change the name. And frankly, you can keep the songs too - they're dreadful.
Peace to you - without preconditions, or any brownie points with the gatekeeper x
2008-11-01 01:41:38
DaMumsy:
You bore me with with your self-defeating circuitous reason. I posit a raisin to be more free willed and less fruity. Not only that, but I have read it in a great and old book, that you, the Poppet Mumsy, sunkist raison d'etre, would strike up the world and turn all brains to dried grape, becoming the Sultana of seedless thought... -- JAFFA 23:10
It is written, therefore it is true.
I've also read the bible thanks. You're lucky more people don't.
2008-11-07 14:46:00
http:www.prayasyougoweb.com
Hi honest joe: Your attack is venomous - why? That is OK. You have God-given freewill to be bored by me.
You call yourself honest joe, but in whose eyes are you honest? How can you be honest when you do not know TRUTH. You claim a viritue, which is Christian, but then deny Christ! By the way, I am never defeated, self or otherwise: No, but n all these things I am more than conqueror through Him, (Jesus Christ) who loves me.
Read again with understanding, my previous response, putting aside your prejudice and bias. It is not about reading the Bible, but knowing that I know, that I know, that I know - by faith, prior to experiental meeting with Christ, prior to study His word the Bible. You are dismissive of my beliefs out of hand, and foolishly discount what I have personally experienced: Y
Something that you cannot possibly know, because you are not me. You would have to know it for yourself! A great difference in us is my lack of hate, and your apparent hatred for a God you do not believe in????? Why then????
Pick up the gauntlet I have thrown down - but take care. Look at the world and its sad state, are you seeking to better it by action that promotes life, love, caring and giving or are you just out for yourself, what you can get and who you can beat down? Does your belief or non-belief increase or diminish these previous qualities to contribute to the world. If you believe in nothing, or nothingness, what then???? Assuming that you follow the laws of the land, please note that they are Judao-Christian precepts.
Meantime, I continue to pray for you, others and myself to come to know Jesus Christ in deeper depths and higher heights.
God is not someone waiting to punish us if we make a mistake - as we all do. He is not like some earthy fathers - all rage, fury, harshness and brutal. No, He is patient, kind, longsuffering and not willing that any of us should perish. He is the God of the second chance:
My work is done here!
Peace in - Peace out.
2008-11-10 23:19:44
http:www.prayasyougoweb.com
A different Joe: No worries: Your 'quip' seemed barbed; nothing to do with my faith. I remain rooted and firmly grounded in Christ Jesus: Yes some hymns, carols and choruses are dolefully instead of joyously sung.
Enjoy your celebrations and interactions. Respect to your humanity. I pray you will try Jesus. Peace in, Peace out.
2008-11-10 23:45:31
out of the depths, I cry unto thee... out of enuii. --PSALM 130
(__*__) honesty is human, *not* explicitly christian despite gaseous annotation (read... your... history [pre christcrap{happy to give examples}])
(__*__) I am not dismissive of your position. I have the (mis)fortune to have been educated *in* your position.
(__*__) there is no bias; you misunderstand objectivity
(__*__) 'Look at the world and its sad state' who is responsible for a) the aforementioned, and b) my position?
(__*__) 'No, He is patient, kind, longsuffering and not willing that any of us should perish' -- the all-powerful has but only a choice? how do you account for the holocaust, the extermination of native americans and a multitude of natural disasters? gays in new orleans? penitent jews? there is *nowhere* to hide.
(__*__) If you believe in nothing, or nothingness, what then? -- poor you; this life is clearly not enough.
2008-11-28 00:28:40
NICE.. :-)
try doing that in kabul and se what happends!!!!!!
2008-12-13 10:37:36
UPDATE:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/hampshire/7832647.stm
Wasn't such a clever campaign in my opinion...
2009-01-16 14:07:21
As someone who loves on-line evangelism, the agnostic, atheist bus statement is proving a God-send in reaching people for God - it has opened so many doors for pointing people to the Creator / Legislator and showing the illogicality of having no ultimate authority (whether God exists or not) i.e. man sets the rules can lead to devastation. Thanks humanists unintentionally, you've done Christian evangelists a big favour - we are leading seekers to Christ on the back of the bus campaign. As I've found so often, what man intends to demolish Christianity, actually God will use to advance it & that's what is definitely happening now with my on-line debates following the bus advert launch.
2009-02-01 12:47:32
Dear Jane,
Please stop misapplying my ideas.
Best wishes,
Logic
2009-02-01 19:02:30
Mave:
I think '[b]ut as to how enjoying life bears any relation to a bendy bus is a question that might even stump prof. Dawkins' was meant as a joke referring to the misery bendy buses usually cause people... XD
2009-03-12 10:12:15
Greetings to you all.
God's existence remains spotlighted: Great!
Building on Jane's and Action Man's statements, I note:
Rev Hargreaves, Senior Pastor at Hephzibah Christian Centre, Hackney, London, and a founding member of The Christian Party, paid to place adverts on 50 London buses:
(1) There definitely is a God:
So join the Christian Party and enjoy your life.
Rev Hargreaves also says:
“Once again, Professor Dawkins has been used by God to bring the topic of religion to the forefront of people’s minds. He’s been one of the best Christian evangelists
we’ve had in years.”
I see that two other Christian organisations responded to
Professor Dawkin’s (Humanist) campaign:
The Trinitarian Bible Society advertisement campaign on 100 London buses reads:
(2) The Fool Hath Said in His heart
there is no Godʼ taken from Psalms 53:1.
And the Russian Orthodox Church’s advertisement campaign reads:
(3) There IS a God, BELIEVE.
Don’t worry and enjoy your life.
These communications have been running through Christmas: Now with Easter, fast approaching, the timing remains very apt for opening and heightening people's awareness of the reality of God, who sent His Son "to save that, (us), which was lost"!
Peace in, Peace Out!
2009-03-15 23:14:15
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